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Rhoades Car electric motor mod

I have a Rhoades Car 2 seat quadricycle. I'd like to put a 48 volt motor on it. I plan to use this at Burning Man so I don't need a lot of speed and there is no hills there. I'd like to use this style motor (MOT-481000PL) but I wanted to use a 750 watt motor to save energy. Since I don't plan to go fast or need it to climb any hills could I use a 750 watt motor? Do you guys sell a 750 watt 48 volt motor like the MOT-481000PL? Might there be a better 48 volt motor that would be better suited for my Rhoades Car? Last question, when I order the parts from you guys are the phone sales reps able to help me get the right parts I'll need to complete my project? 

We do not carry a 48 Volt 750 Watt motor like the MOT-481000PL, however, on flat ground, a 1000 Watt motor will not consume anywhere near 1000 Watts at slower speeds and we would only expect it to consume a few hundred Watts at speeds 10 MPH and under unless there was a strong headwind. It will consume 1000 Watts during fast acceleration but that can be kept under control by accelerating slowly to conserve battery power. 


Our phone reps know their stuff, however, they do not have as much experience as we do here in the technical support department so for the absolute best advice on getting the right parts we recommend using our online forum or support ticket systems.


Please let us know if you have any further questions and we will be glad to help. 

Thank you so much for your quick response. I have just one more question. On my RC Quad bike I have 20 inch tires. What would be the best size sprockets to get so that I don't have it geared too low and draining the battery too quickly? I'd like to have speed if I need it but mostly I'll be cruising around 6-10 mph. Do you believe the  MOT-481000PL motor to be the best fit for this application? I'm also going to send a picture of the back end of the quad bike. I plan to mount the motor on the right side and I believe that it spins clockwise so the motor will be facing to the right

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Sorry the picture is not rotated correctly. I plan to place my order by tomorrow if I have an idea that everything will work well.

Thanks again. You guys are so helpful 

I believe that the MOT-481000PL is the best motor for your application due to its high power output. A 1000 Watt motor can power a vehicle on flat ground to around 25 MPH, however, having a lower top speed gearing is better if the vehicle will need to climb hills. 


For a cruising speed of 6-10 MPH a top speed gear ratio of 10 MPH could be used which would provide the fastest acceleration and best hill climbing performance, or a faster than 10 MPH top speed gear ratio could be used so the vehicle can travel faster when needed and still have decent hill climbing ability. For example, the top speed gear ratio could be for let's say 18 MPH, and then the vehicle can easily cruise at 6-10 MPH and also go 18 MPH when needed. I ran a top speed calculation for 18 MPH and got a result with an 18 tooth axle sprocket.



The right side of the bike with the motor spinning clockwise is correct for this motor. 


Please let us know if you have any questions.

You guys are really amazingly helpful. Ok so I guess I have 3 more questions. (1) I want to use the MOT-481000PL motor. The width of my shaft on the RC is 3/4. I can't seem to figure out what chain, sprocket, and other items I'll need to make it work? I also need a controller, a throttle with meter and key, and whatever else you think I need to make it run. (2) Could you give me a list of your part numbers or can I just place the order through you. (3) Do you guys give any kind of discount if I order the whole package?

Regarding the axle sprocket, there are two different options:


Option one is to have a non-freewheel axle sprocket that allows the motor to move the vehicle in both forward and reverse directions. This option does not allow for easy pedaling of the car though because the motor will always be geared to the axle which would make the car difficult to pedal when the motor is off. 


Option two is to have a freewheel axle sprocket that allows the motor to power the car in the forward direction only. This option allows the car to be pedaled and pushed forward without any drag or resistance from the motor when the motor is off. 


Please let us know which sprocket option you prefer and then we can put together a list of parts that are needed for the project. Once we have the parts list then we can make a kit out of them with a 10% kit discount. 

I’d like the freewheel option so that I can pedal.

I had to reregister my account for some reason. I can order the parts today.

We can go ahead and make the kit so it is ready to order. We just need to sort out a few details first.


The smallest sprocket for #420 chain we can get is 27 teeth. This 27 tooth axle sprocket along with a 14 tooth motor sprocket installed on the MOT-481000PL motor works out to a top speed of 15.46 MPH. Is this top speed okay?



Here is a preliminary parts list for the kit:

1 qty. MOT-481000PL motor

1 qty. SPR-42014E2 14 tooth motor sprocket

1 qty. SPR-42027F5 27 tooth axle sprocket for 5-hole freewheel

1 qty. FWM-205 5-hole freewheel

1 qty. HDW-200 5-hole sprocket to freewheel mounting hardware

1 qty. FWM-ADAPTER3 freewheel to 3/4" axle adapter

1 qty. #420 Chain (how many links?)

1 qty. SPD-481000D 48V 1000W heavy-duty controller

1 qty. RLY-48150 48V 150A heavy-duty power contactor

1 qty. CNX-830 battery pack/motor wires junction box

1 qty. THR-115K twist throttle with battery meter and key switch

1 qty. Battery Pack Wiring Harness (we can include this part if you want?)


Please let us know if the gear ratio with 27 tooth axle sprocket is okay, how many links of chain you would like, and if you want a battery pack wiring harness included with the kit, and then we can go ahead and make a page for the kit and reply with the link. 


Also, if you need batteries and a battery charger with the kit then please let us know.


Please let us know if you have any questions.

Do you have any idea what the total cost would be for everything yet? I actually have a 420 chain so I don’t think I need one not to mention I have no idea how many links I’ll need lol. The 27 tooth sprocket I’m sure will be fine unless you have the parts for the original calculation. shouldn’t this setup with the 27 tooth sprocket give me a little more torque though? Also the battery pack wiring harness would be great though I’m still building the packs.

 

The original calculation with 18 tooth axle sprocket was for a #410 sprocket which is only 1/8" wide. We can not get an 18 tooth axle sprocket for #420 chain (1/4" wide) so that is why I switched over to the 27 tooth axle sprocket for #420 chain which is the smallest size available. The 14 tooth motor sprocket and 27 tooth axle sprocket will provide more torque than our original calculation with the 11 and 18 tooth sprockets. 


Everything on the list excluding the chain and battery pack wiring harness adds up to $451.50 and with the 10% kit discount, the discount price is $406.35.


Please let us know if you have any questions. 

We just got the kit finished. It is our item # KIT-481000G-25. Here is the link to it: https://cart.electricscooterparts.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=KIT-481000G-25


Please let us know if there is anything you would like changed on the kit, or if you have any questions.


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